tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post1145667206622455789..comments2023-06-19T02:49:49.809-07:00Comments on Armadillo's Holistic Kerfuffle: Why we will continue to eat full fat dairy (regardless of what Change4Life say!)Analytical Armadillo IBCLChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03829027807809292649noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-56572238931623521462014-02-03T04:15:03.522-08:002014-02-03T04:15:03.522-08:00Mis-educating people to make bad food choices real...Mis-educating people to make bad food choices really strokes big pharma, too. People on natural, whole food based diaries are usually healthy. You can't make money of healthy people. You don't want them dead either, you can't make money off dead people. But if they are just about alive and pretty ill, that is where the money comes from. Preferably ridden with chronic conditions, so we can pump them full of drugs and tell them they'll need them for the rest of their lives. And some other drugs too to counter the side effects. KERCHING!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-72049930844792398782014-01-31T15:40:46.815-08:002014-01-31T15:40:46.815-08:00I am made to wonder as to what the government has ...I am made to wonder as to what the government has to gain from this type of misinformation. What is the outcome? What is the end game? A friend said that the government needed to seem like it was addressing a problem, but I don't buy that for one second. In a society ruled by consumerism the wasting of money on an empty and far reaching enterprise is not the optimum outcome for financial growth. Instead this is a drive towards more processed foods. Maybe the original change4life drive to eat fresh, healthy, homemade foods was too successful, making it nescessary for the muscle at Nestle to step in. Maybe there is a more insidious and far reaching plan being acted out. It could be as easy as getting double industry from milk (where does all that skimmed fat go? Two products for the price of one!) or a much darker agenda (distract, divide, conquer. A populace worrying about their weight isn't going to be bothered with the use of Asian slaves in textiles industry or the use of poisonous means to extract 'natural gas' from the British Isles.). Arrrggghhh! My head hurts!Biskityashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14589184255498715502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-80824399834921624102014-01-31T02:16:00.583-08:002014-01-31T02:16:00.583-08:00Sigh. Whatever happened to everything in moderatio...Sigh. Whatever happened to everything in moderation? Cook and eat as close to natural as possible and don't overdo either sugar or fat. The healthy eating lessons we were given at primary school in the 70s had more common sense than these guidelines that probably cost millions to put together!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02372795424826939321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-33915075793748486722014-01-29T15:30:51.505-08:002014-01-29T15:30:51.505-08:00Oh and by the way there is already a petition agai...Oh and by the way there is already a petition against this: http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/department-of-health-for-england-and-wales-end-change4life-links-to-nestl%C3%A9-and-danone?share_id=keRNYOwfhK&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petitionimperfectly natural mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851222967620246892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-60974648782686625002014-01-29T09:37:26.997-08:002014-01-29T09:37:26.997-08:00When I saw the change 4 life swap poster it instan...When I saw the change 4 life swap poster it instantly didn't sit right with me, low fat and sugar free foods are just fake food full of additives to me and I certainly won't be giving them to my children. I am also opposed to this scheme because if the nestle sponsorship. Nestle have extremely questionable ethics when it comes to the promotion of baby and infant formula. imperfectly natural mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851222967620246892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-20748633845201000562014-01-29T08:40:01.220-08:002014-01-29T08:40:01.220-08:00Please be careful when looking at American studies...Please be careful when looking at American studies as the rules on their products are a lot different to ours - for instance a lot of skimmed/low fat milk in the US has added sugars of some kind to make it more palatable to the US consumers. This screws up any like for like advice given in the UK. All the information and studies on food and dietary requirements should only look at studies in the country the advice is to be given in, or the person using the study needs to explain the differences in the products contained in the study. Just saying! :)Cebbrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11358443555795815433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-72090729945264973352014-01-27T06:29:09.582-08:002014-01-27T06:29:09.582-08:00I fully agree, there is one farm within travelling...I fully agree, there is one farm within travelling distance of us that is allowed to sell untreated milk and you can really tell the difference ! critics will say that potentially there's more risk from bacteria etc but the fact is that it is completely outweighed by the vastly superior farm and milking conditions. the farms selling pasteurised milk GET IT WHENEVER YOU CAN !colfairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15639309998379386402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-91699700985865154502014-01-27T05:18:45.751-08:002014-01-27T05:18:45.751-08:00Can't we start a change.org petition or someth...Can't we start a change.org petition or something forcing a re-think? So sad to say "it's wrong but there's nothing we can do..."Emma Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02555836406019347977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-16493830249476083792014-01-25T13:02:42.000-08:002014-01-25T13:02:42.000-08:00@Proper Ghandi, saturated animal fats that are low...@Proper Ghandi, saturated animal fats that are low in omega 3 and high in omega 6 comes from cattle in feeding lots that are reared on a diet of gmo corn based feed, they spend their short lives standing in their own excrement and urine where disease and bacteria gets into the fat cells of the animal. The China study conveniently ommits the facts about the omega 3 rich saturated fats that come from organically reared grass fed cattle that don't receive any hormone treatment or gmo corn feed. So no the statements here are not erroneous.Dan Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09874071742409726535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-73890666427316646882014-01-25T09:57:34.389-08:002014-01-25T09:57:34.389-08:00isn't due to the effect of animal protein foun...isn't due to the effect of animal protein found in the china study? http://bit.ly/ChinaStudyWiki<br /><br />@ packer99 Low same sized packaging equals higher animal protein content since these are used to supplement most if not all low fat foods. http://bit.ly/ChinaStudyWiki<br /><br />by the same process high saturated fats products contain less omega fatty acids. so i find your coments and this article erroneous if not deliberately misleading.<br />Proper Gandhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02453560493253532867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-14814915398040543812014-01-25T00:52:58.122-08:002014-01-25T00:52:58.122-08:00Drink real milk, unpasteurized and not homogenized...Drink real milk, unpasteurized and not homogenized, highly nutritious!<br />NutriBabyUKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12489612886224758008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-32342390050742502452014-01-23T20:38:31.740-08:002014-01-23T20:38:31.740-08:00Please tell me the swap was written as a fallacy!?...Please tell me the swap was written as a fallacy!?!?<br /><br />How can people fall for this? Its sad the UK govt is endorsing this nonsense. <br /><br />It sickens me that you bthe uk the daily sugar guideline is 90g!!!!!<br /><br />Talk about mixed messages..thats why granny has 2biscuits with every tea time and loads of sweets!<br /><br />Anyways..also when iy comes to dairy, the real reason we eat it is for...you guessed it; FAT!!!!! <br /><br />I read a study last year that correlated the rise in the "low fat diet" fad that swept the 80's with the increase in autism. Pregnant women on a low fat diet were privy to the spike...food for thought...About mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07653373705295089721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-20015535629897304492014-01-23T12:41:33.906-08:002014-01-23T12:41:33.906-08:00Au contraire, low-fat is more likely to lead to in...Au contraire, low-fat is more likely to lead to inflammation that causes artery damage. Cholesterol is not a problem it is a solution, to inflammatory damage of the arteries. One major cause of this is insufficiency of antioxidants - scurvy, in other words. The connective tissue lining the vessels splits and cracks, and Low Density Lipoprotein is MADE by the liver to patch up the cracks. Want healthy arteries? Eat raw veg and naturally produced saturated fat, and avoid stress.packer99https://www.blogger.com/profile/07543817672023132460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-32162319221298623902014-01-22T14:53:26.027-08:002014-01-22T14:53:26.027-08:00By the same token, I assume that you are sceptical...By the same token, I assume that you are sceptical about the Lipid hypothesis, held by many - clinicians included - as sacrosanct. Yet when examined across different ethnic populations rapidly falls apart. <br /><br />What do you think about the observation that statins are clinically (double blind) proven to reduce heart disease. Statins also are clinically proven to reduce cholesterol. Therefore cholesterol causes heart disease. A logical conclusion or a scientific step too far? <br /><br />I agree to a certain extent with your argument, epidemiological studies which form the basis of a lot of health advice are simply statistical analyses or meta- analyses of small scale studies. This approach is fraught with problems particularly as (you infer) correlation is not causation.<br /><br />I am deeply sceptical about much of the food advice we receive and as a little irrational monkey with imperfect knowledge will come to my own conclusions. However I do note that there is a significant body of evidence, both anecdotal and from controlled studies, that skimmed milk is a recognised way to fatten pigs... will any of this change my diet? No, I prefer raw milk straight from the farm by my milkman.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12424622070361958815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-49775927563555677112014-01-22T07:33:49.419-08:002014-01-22T07:33:49.419-08:00When I read articles like this I always remember t...When I read articles like this I always remember the phrase "lies, damn lies and statistics". This study was not a double blind study which means it's valueless, or more accurately utter rubbish. Without making the study double blind, you are not measuring anything useful. For example, if you did a survey of gyms with very good facilities for disabled people, you may find more disabled people there, but that doesn't mean going to those gyms is more likely to make you disabled! Same applies here, it could easily be that mums who are already concerned about their child's weight give them skimmed milk, not that the skimmed milk is MAKING the child overweight. The only way that lower fat milk could promote weight gain over full fat milk is if it caused the child to consume more calories elsewhere, which isn't part of the study. Conversely, it has been clinically proven that protein satiates appetite and skimmed milk has more of it by volume than full fat does. In Dr DeBoer's own study conclusion he says: "Consumption of 1%/skim milk is more common among overweight/obese preschoolers, potentially reflecting the choice of parents to give overweight/obese children low-fat milk to drink." Well no shit Sherlock, so what have you learned - precisely nothing, you just got a good bit of free publicity from being controversial and scared a few people into doing the wrong thing. Muppet.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08005986112898286956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-59372430556896722212014-01-22T02:33:15.707-08:002014-01-22T02:33:15.707-08:00everything in moderation and be more active. Just ...everything in moderation and be more active. Just common sense really, At least in the UK we don't have to worry too much about the rubbish they put on food in the USAAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523874599533533948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-25116682065898857002014-01-22T01:30:53.887-08:002014-01-22T01:30:53.887-08:00Anyone one who actually recommends you consuming s...Anyone one who actually recommends you consuming sugar-free products is not to be trusted. Laura Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00106398287969364718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-5589211317852836802014-01-22T01:19:16.413-08:002014-01-22T01:19:16.413-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Clairey-Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01325587442926844272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-65292687307953938452014-01-22T01:19:01.214-08:002014-01-22T01:19:01.214-08:00While I absolutely agree that drinking higher fat ...While I absolutely agree that drinking higher fat milk is better for us, especially children, I think you could be making some assumptions about these studies that you can't make from the results. I don't think that you can conclude that low fat milk causes weight gain in children from these studies - the only thing we can conclude is that consumption of low fat milk does not prevent weight gain in children.<br /><br />This does still mean that the change4life recommendation for the milk swap are effectively useless thoughClairey-Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01325587442926844272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-49416838820684837942014-01-21T13:48:46.698-08:002014-01-21T13:48:46.698-08:00I agree with everything you say in rejection of th...I agree with everything you say in rejection of this change 4 life propaganda, as well as the benefits of full fat dairy over skimmed or low fat products. I eat this way myself, and have always felt that calories are a very loose idea that don't really explain what your body does with the food's ingredients.<br />there's no reason for me to disbelieve any of this information but as a skeptic I make it a habit of looking into things before patting myself on the back for having been right all along. <br /><br />So I followed the link to the diet doctor site, and read what he had to say. And it looks good. Although who is this guy? A doctor, a man of science, writing on a report but not adding his sources? <br />Then I looked up the SBU study that you and the diet doctor referenced, and found that the information published doesn't say exactly that at all. <br />I read the results in English and the relevant piece of information in their assessment of studies is that in OBESE individuals, a low carb diet is better than a high carb diet for short term weight loss (six months.)<br />There is no mention of fat not making you fat. And it did not come up with any solid change to dietary advice. Also, there was no marked difference or not enough data to show one, in weight loss after 6 months using a low fat or low carb diet.<br />I read this study because while I wholeheartedly believe that the closer the product is to its original form, ie, the less processed, the better it is for your health and weight. But this is just general common sense and so far, in this particular form, high fat is better has NOT been proved scientifically. the studies just aren't there, and the ones reviewed by Sweden's SBU related only to obese individuals.<br /><br />I also googled a bit and found a debunk:<br />http://experiencelife.com/newsflashes/debunking-news-of-swedens-low-carb-high-fat-guidelines/<br /><br />Ciara Tamayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02259470029073948419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-29530364464193957512014-01-21T12:22:30.165-08:002014-01-21T12:22:30.165-08:00A big problem in the UK is that people want cheap ...A big problem in the UK is that people want cheap food which the supermarkets are happy to supply. The farmers have little choice & the supermarkets push them to make it as cheap as possible. Cheap is best, everyone wants a bargain.<br /><br />The food suppliers have many tricks to make things cheaper and all have a detrimental effect on the quality & nutritional value of the food. Other dirty tricks like adding water to meat, feed to make live stock grow quicker & larger. Everything goes against nature. You get out what you put in. If you eat food that is far from natural it's no surprise it has a negative effect on our health.<br /><br />I would like to think most farmers would like to produce honest food for an honest price however people need to make the change in order for that to happen.<br /><br />I am not saying everyone should start to grow their own veg & rear their own animals. This is not difficult to do on a small scale but I appreciate land is expensive in the UK. However everyone that has a garden can make a small effort. Time outside working & away from the TV or computer can only be a good thing.<br /><br />You can buy as much food as possible from local farms. Yes it is more expensive than Asda but if it is an organic farm then the quality will be so much better and the money is going directly to the farmer. Unpasteurised milk is not only healthier but tastes great. We've been drinking it for thousands of years so why do people think it will make them sick. If you source it from a single organic farm it's safe. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197449252906340215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-71246903959981768012014-01-21T09:36:40.465-08:002014-01-21T09:36:40.465-08:00'Eat less, move more.' Pithy. Absolutely t...'Eat less, move more.' Pithy. Absolutely the best advice (except for anorexics?!). 'Eat as natural as you can find and afford.' Just brilliant. You should be advising Governments. A few years ago, the Radio 4 Food Programme opened my eyes to a phrase used in the food industry called 'adding value'. The goal is to produce foods that are more convenient & attractive, as cost-effectively as possible, so as to generate the best profit margin. Nutrition isn't a part of this process. 'Adding value' means value for the manufacturer, not the consumer. So when you are out shopping, remember this: it's likely that the more processed the food, the less nutrition you're going to get out of it. That means: don't buy convenience food, buy the raw stuff, learn to cook, freeze the surplus. I buy good quality butter, always have done. It smells and tastes good. I wish we didn't homogenise milk, it's not natural. I've stopped drinking milk because of that. Manufacturers carbonate drinks to disguise the chemically taste: let most carbonated soft drinks go flat and then taste them - yuk. The only carbonated drink I drink is tonic water in my gin!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10854695747696998921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-70256042683792148572014-01-21T09:34:19.758-08:002014-01-21T09:34:19.758-08:00It's a side argument, because the science has ...It's a side argument, because the science has been available for a very long time on any pasteurized 'milk product'. It is the most allergenic food on the planet. Here is an alternative, and yes, full fat is best. Even 'whole' pasteurized milk is only 3%, and most folks are not aware of that. http://www.realmilk.com/Helios Farmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11856778334175279417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-58901488211785559282014-01-21T05:29:35.825-08:002014-01-21T05:29:35.825-08:00My youngest daughter came home with this leaflet y...My youngest daughter came home with this leaflet yesterday. It is so flawed that I have been getting more and more wound up about it. My partner just said 'bin it and forget about it' but I can't forget about something that I know will be influencing the way millions of people feed their children and how those children make their food choices in the future!Nathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02730615725569784194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1840882508322611449.post-54496271297538784492014-01-21T05:10:21.166-08:002014-01-21T05:10:21.166-08:00Thanks for this. The best solution, given that Ch...Thanks for this. The best solution, given that Change 4 Life will probably not listen to the science because it goes against what their corporate sponsors want, is to produce your own "infographics" that will be spread via internet memes. Just make sure to make the scientific sources accessible from the meme, via a link on the meme image itself.Sykobeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04034285834421869624noreply@blogger.com